EP 47 | Love is Louder: Processing the Pain, Protesting with Purpose

In this powerful and timely episode, we dive deep into what’s currently happening in Los Angeles as protests rise in response to the presidential deportation orders. As queer Latinas, we felt it was important to use our voices and our platform to speak truth — not just about the pain, but also about the power we hold when we return to love.

We don’t shy away from what we’re feeling. Grief. Anger. Helplessness. We share how it’s essential to feel it all — not bypass it, not pretend it’s not happening — but also to not stay stuck in it. Because what transforms systems isn’t hate. It’s unity. It’s heart. It’s choosing a higher frequency even when it’s hard.

We talk about how to hold space for different perspectives, how to stay grounded in love when the world feels like it’s unraveling, and how this moment is a collective call to awaken — not just spiritually, but socially.

If you’ve been feeling heavy, confused, or unsure how to process what’s happening in the world, this one’s for you. We see you. We’re with you. Let’s rise in love, not fear.

Listen now wherever you get your podcasts. And don’t forget to follow us on YouTube and Instagram — your support helps amplify voices that matter.

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EP 47 | Love is Louder: Processing the Pain, Protesting with Purpose

 Hey guys! Welcome to the Deep Dive In podcast with Nancy and Brenda. And we are back, baby. Hi, everyone. Hey hey hey. How are you feeling? Very eventful weekend. Yeah, I'm feeling restored now, though. Yeah. Yeah, I'm back to being myself now. I think going to the gym this morning. Kind of, like put us back on track. Like. Okay. Yeah. Honestly, no, it wasn't the gym for me. It was laying in bed for two hours. After the alarm. That. That would do it, too. Yeah. Just chilling. Let me give myself some time. You know, for me, I love, like, snow mornings. And I never realized, like, I never knew what a slow morning was till, like, recently, obviously. Like that concept of, like, having a slow morning. Yeah. I'm like, wow, what a difference. Yes. I feel more like. Like I feel more inspired. Yeah, I guess you could say when I do a show morning and, like, get up and, you know, do my morning things, brush my teeth and get ready and stuff. And then like during that time, I do also start thinking about like, oh, what do I want to do today? It's not what do I have to do today? It's like, what do I want to do today? Yeah. And, um, and that's a game changer. Yeah. It's been a game changer, I feel. Yeah. I love how we ask each other that too, though. Yeah. Well, what do you feel like doing today? Even with the girls, like, we ask them the same thing. Yeah, and it's not any. It's not. We try to not use the. What do we have to do? Because it's not about having to do anything. It's about getting to do stuff. But, Brenda, you have to work. You have to do stuff. What do you mean? I get to work. All right. When you love what you do. Yeah. Like, I get to work, you know? And, um. But it's all about that shift in perspective and how you see it. It's like. And like. Like having dirty dishes, like, oh, I get to wash the dishes because we actually had food to cook and eat, right? Right. So it's all about the perspective. It is. Yeah. I think that's the biggest part. I mean, and I know that part of the reason why we speak out and have these conversations on this podcast is to bring different perspectives. And a lot of people, like, you're not going to agree with everything, right, or whatever, but it's just it's just bringing different perspectives to what we were taught. Right? Like how we grew up in this societal programming shit that I feel like that's my mission in life is to break all of that societal, um, programming that we were taught for people. And I think that's the reason why, like, I like to bring different perspectives to these conversations because you like, I still hesitate sometimes to tell somebody like, well, I don't want to have a 9 to 5. Yeah, I don't want to have a job. I hesitate to say those words because people are so we're so programmed to be like, oh, well, you're just being lazy. Yeah. And you know, you're delusional or like, you know, like those things. And it's like, well, no. Like why? Yeah. Why am I being lazy? Like, I'm, I'm interested in doing other things, but at my time. Right. Like, not because, you know, I like I have to do something for somebody else. I want to do it for myself. Yeah, but I feel like my biggest thing or my biggest mission with actually having these conversations is essentially to, you know, just bring a different perspective. Like, why? Like, why do we have to live the way that we were told to live? Yeah. You know, like, why do we have to have a job? Like. Yeah. Yes, I get it. We have to pay shit. Whatever. But there's other ways to make money. Yeah. You know your perspective, guys. Yeah, exactly. And it's. I mean, there's just a lot going on right now in the world. There's a lot going on with, you know, the immigration stuff. There's a lot going on with all of those things. And I feel it's a good conversation to have as it is right now, because I see things differently than how it's being portrayed, and maybe other people see it. Yeah. Um, my perspective to it is a little different. And because it's something that's actively going on, like we could I could sit here and feel like, um, hate or like, you know, like I for what's going on because somebody's making this happen, right? Like, there's somebody that's putting in orders to ice to go pick up the immigrant people like. Mhm. And I feel like I, I could sit here and feel hate for it because my parents were immigrants. My, a lot of my family is, were immigrants are immigrants. And it's like like that sucks. Like it just sucks. It fucking sucks that it has to be this way, right? But I just can't. I can't sit here and be like, fuck that. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I can't sit here and portray hate towards anybody. And I hope it doesn't come out the wrong. I mean, I don't know how it's going to come out or how people are going to interpret this, but I just don't see like people out there like rioting and like putting cars on fire and stuff. Like, I just don't see how that how that's going to help. Yeah. You know. Yeah. I feel like they want us to get there. Yes, I feel like. I feel like they want us. Like they did this big old raid thing in LA. I, I feel like they want they did it this way because they knew that people were going to start rioting, especially in LA, because it's such a liberal like. I at least that's my understanding, right? Like, they knew that people were going to come out and protest. Yeah. It happens even with sports. Yeah. Like if somebody wins a championship, like shit gets out of control. Yeah. And then we proved their point. Mhm. That we're just fucking crazy criminals and shit. Like waving the Mexican flag everywhere with the car burning. And that's the picture they show on the news. Yes. And that's the picture that they use to be like. You see? You see what we're talking about? You see why we have to bring in the military, like you see in the perspective. Exactly the perspective. And it's just like they know that's the thing. Like they know how the fuck like what to do to enlight the response. They want us to like how they want us to respond. Yeah. In order for them to continue, you know, with the martial law and continue with the overpowering, continue to bring in the military like that's exactly what they wanted us to. That's exactly how they wanted us to respond. Yeah. Like, as you're saying this, all I'm thinking about is like, for the listeners, imagine this as a video game and in the video game or like, oh, no, no, no, the best one is The Hunger Games, because in The Hunger Games it's a world. That the the people can control. They can control the weather. They can control, like what animals come in and they can control the environment so that the, the humans that are in the environment will react to the surroundings. And that's exactly what's going on in our current environment here in the, in the earth. Right. Yeah. And um, and so they know exactly how to tailor the environment to get the people to be how they want them to be. So that, like you said, they can enact whatever it is they need to do without any like they don't need an excuse. They could just be like, well, you guys, cause this. So now we have to bring in the National Guard. Yeah. Right. Yeah. No. Yeah. And I and I guess the perspective here of what I'm because it's like. Okay, Nancy. Well, what how do you want us to how do we fight back if this is happening? You know, and ultimately, like, nobody has the answer to that. No, but I know it's not the way that they want us to. Like we fight back by being civil. Mhm. By portraying love. By portraying peace. Mhm. The opposite of what they want us to be. Yeah. Which is chaotic criminals running around. Like in my, in my, in my opinion. I think it stands for more like if we were waving an American flag since we were since we are here protecting like, um, American people. It's not I don't think it's about Mexico. Like, no, I'm Mexican myself. Like my family's of Mexican. I just don't think that putting up a Mexican flag per like when they're bringing in the National Guard and, like, they're violating our constitutional rights. Right. Like it has nothing to do with the Mexican flag. Yeah, it has nothing to do with any of the countries. I'm Salvadorian. It's like I they're deporting my people to the Russians. The Ukrainians like they're deporting all of the people. Right. Yeah. And it's. And how you're saying it's like, at the end of the day, it has to do with the fact that we're standing up for our human right here on this. In this country. Exactly. It's. You're right. It's. It has like we have to protect our constitution. Yeah. We have to protect our rights as American citizens. Mhm. And I feel like because it's the opposite, like, you know, people waving around Mexican flags and I'm not saying like that's the worst thing, but I'm just saying like a different perspective. Right. That's the whole point of this. Yeah. Is like I feel if we would march civilly with our American flags chanting to save the constitutional, the Constitution and our rights as American citizens, like, yeah, that speaks more to it than waving an American flag and saying like, ccep. Were they right? You know. Yeah. And and and and I get it like they're obviously they're picking up people with that that are not, um, documented. And I've heard some instances where they're picking up people that are American citizens and they're detaining them for whatever reason. But that's the point. The point is because they are doing things unlawfully. I just feel like it should be more of like us coming together and or let's just say, not put up any flag. Let's just fucking have, um, signs that say, like, we're all human. We're all love. Like, stop this shit. Yeah. Yes. And, um, to add on to what you're saying, like I, I believe that it goes deeper and like what is happening right now is causing division number one, right? It's causing hate. It's causing all of the emotions and feelings that you can think of when you think of being divided. It's causing all of that. And like I've seen people on TikTok on the comments post like, yeah, I voted for him. Great job. Like that's why I voted for him so he could do this right. And what it's really causing is division amongst humanity amongst each other. And how you're saying is if people would just set aside all of that programming that has been instilled in them since they were very little, and I don't mean to say put it aside because it's very difficult to put it aside. If people would actually be aware of the fact that they are programmed and that they are pretty much brought up to be divisive amongst each other, then. Yeah. Um, and they're responding now. Yeah. They want us to respond exactly in a divisive way. Yeah, exactly. And so it's like it goes a lot deeper than just, oh, people are getting deported. And, um, some people voted for this, some people didn't and were standing up for us and our rights and our family. Like, it goes a lot deeper than that, guys. It's not just what we see on the surface and on social media and the news. It goes so deep to the fact, like all the way to like our ancestry, man. Like how how much we've been oppressed. How much. Colonialism has happened. And and I believe that some people are standing up for that. Some people are standing up for the fact that, like, we're done being oppressed and suppressed, right. And like we're not going to let that happen. But at the same time, like you're saying, it's like, okay, but it's causing some people to be like, screw you. And then like be all angry and like, yeah, that that hate that comes out is out, right? Which is understandable because some people have unprocessed emotions, and these kind of things trigger them because it comes from their ancestors, where they felt oppressed for such a long time. Yes. And this has happened obviously, since, I don't know, since we were, since humanity was humanity was a human being sort of thing. But I feel like that's the reason why, you know, people react this way is because they react in a manner of survival. And it's like, oh, let me like, let's get violent because that's the the way that they have or that we've learned to be in survival is by getting violent. Right. Like, let me protect mine and I'm going to have my gun. And if you come near me, I'm going to fucking shoot you, because. Whatever. Right? Um, I don't know if I should say that in the podcast, but, um. Yeah. Like I feel like people react in that way because of it, because of that. And and that's the that's the whole point. I think the whole point that I'm trying to get across here with this conversation is that we need to reexamine how we're reacting to these things, because if we're reacting and acting in the in an angry way, um, or if we feel like our emotion, like we feel like hatred and like we're like, you know, if this person or if that person for doing these things, like you have to check yourself because you, you're you're not going to accomplish anything from that place of anger. Um, and we're like, you're not like, we're not right. And everything that is happening, um, is I mean, it's happening because like, again, they want us to react that way. Um, I truly believe that there's a bigger there's a bigger play here than, um, ice like with the like, um, it's pretty much like they know and what I mean, they it's like it's hard to explain, right? Because it's like the powers of be like the powers to be. Yeah. I, I feel, in my opinion, is that there is certain people at the top, you know, um, that are still trying to control us. Right. And that's why they're pushing the narrative of, like, wanting people to go to get jobs again or like the tariffs so they could bring more factories over here and we could continue to have or or having to work the 95 and the system that they had created of like going to school and then us, um, going to a factory job or whatever, like they want to bring that back. Yeah. And when I say they is like. The freaking like the the the powers to be are essentially all white men. Yes. And they're still in charge. Or they're still, like, in charge of certain things, like you have like a if anybody knows who Steve Bannon is, but he's also like a white nationalist. And he was asked like the other day, he's like a behind the scene person. Oh, and he was asked the other day if he or I saw a video of him saying that, um, they're trying to push for Trump to win again in 2022, 2028. Um, meaning that there there is some way that they're going to push for that to be the case. What? Yeah. And it's like but like Steve Bannon, if you don't know who he is. Like go look him up. But he is a very pristine white nationalist. And he had a lot to do with Trump being elected in the first, uh, the first time. And this time. But again, I talked about this before. I feel Trump is just like a putt, like there's nothing against Trump like Istomin. So I feel like I feel he has no idea what he like, what he, uh, signed himself up for. And he can't go back on it because that that's his narcissistic tendencies and his ego, his upbringing and his upbringing. Are being very well fed right now. Right. But so he's just a little like he's just a puppet. Yeah. And there's other people that are in charge. Yeah. Right. And those people that are in charge know how big of a deal the whole immigration Ice thing. Like they know the impact and the reaction that we, our people and the and the divisiveness that is going to bring. Yeah. By them doing this shit. Yes. And that's what they want. They want this reaction because guess what. Now they're able to bring in the military. Right. And now they're able to bring more law and order. Yes. And now they're able to justify their actions because of the reactions of our like of how we're trying to defend this. Mhm. And it's a whole fucking game. It's a whole fucking game. And I know this sounds like it sounds I know it sounds farfetched and shit, but I mean if you guys, if you guys would do, like, some research. Like do some research on the like white nationalists. Obviously. Project 2025. Um, if you guys look into it like you'll see that there is just a bigger agenda. There's actually a documentary on Netflix about it, and I forgot the name of it. But if you would see the agenda of these white nationalist men that are still trying to live like we did in the 1920s. Yeah. Where they were, women were oppressed and men had the say. That's what they want us to live like. That's how they want us to live. They like The Handmaid's Tale. Like the handsome? Yeah. For sure. Yes, Gilead. That's how they want us to fucking live. I mean, I don't know if they would take that extreme to like, you know. Yeah, but yes, that's how they want us to live. They want us to go back to a Christian, um, uh, country. Um, and and all of that and crazy. And if you like. And this is part of it. Yeah, because they know that in a few years. And I believe by 2020, by 2030 Hispanics were going to be the majority. Mhm. In the United States. Yeah. That means that when it comes to voting yeah. You have to have the Latino vote in order for you to become like the elected. Yeah. And I think they said they would go. They would be the least. Yes I think. Yeah. And they know that. So why do you think they're doing this. Mhm. They're doing this because they are lawfully removing people. Mhm. Because they're no longer going to be able to have children that are going to be a U.S. citizen if they're Latino. Right. Because they're removing them from here. Yeah. Like you guys this is a bigger picture. It's a bigger picture. And I don't think and I feel like they want us stuck. They want us stuck to think, like, um. Or be scared. Fear? Yeah. For sure. Fear. They just want us to be in fear of like, oh, they're gonna come get us or whatever. Like, fuck it. You know what? I would rather live in Mexico at this point. Yeah. Like I would just be like, okay, let me get my kids. Yeah. So I could go. Yeah. Like, whatever. I'm gonna go stand in front of an Ice agent. I mean, I just feel it. It comes down to being more of a united, like, conscious, united consciousness. Yeah, yeah, like a united consciousness. And what that means is basically, let's just say, like all of the Hispanic, all Hispanic Latinos, even, you know, other races that don't agree with what's going on. Like, just if we just yeah, if we just stand in, let's just say stand in silence. Yeah. We fucking stand in silence every like, you know how they do. They did like I forgot a protest that was going on. But like in every city. Yeah. Um. If we would just gather together, you know, like in white, like everybody wearing white and just silence. Like just in silence like that, I feel, would be a lot more powerful than. Yes. And all the other shit, it would. You just reminded me of, um. When I do a session with somebody and part of the meditation that I guide them through, I say sometimes I tell them to forget all their titles. Yeah. Forget all the titles that are tied to you, like mother, father, sister, brother, granddaughter. You know, all of the titles that society puts on you and just be. Right. And then and I'm imagining what you're saying and people just standing there or laying there and like holding, holding hands. They don't have to hold hands, but yes, they have to. But but like, you know, I, I can imagine guiding people through forgetting their titles, forgetting all of that and then just feeling their being like them, just feeling who they are as far as, like they could just be. Yeah. That energy collectively can shift more than you setting a car on fire, people. Yes. And. And I think that's what. That's what we're like. I know you're trying to get across and like, I also want to get across this like love does more. Yeah than hate. And that's exactly. Oh Amen to that. It really does. And I think that's the shift that needs to happen. Yeah I feel like that's the shift that that we have been like we have been programmed to be so distant from loving each other and all of these things that division and all of these things that that are said, we have been programmed to hate each other and be so distant from love. Yeah, that sometimes people don't even know how to love in their own family and relationship because everything around them is hate and fear and survival. And it's like if we collectively, as a race, understood that love has more power, um, we would take over, came over. Yeah. It'd be a nation of the people. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. We would just love on each other, you know, and and care about each other. I would rather scream out or yell out to a ice agent like, I love you instead of I fucking hate you. Um, you know, I don't want that energy to come out of me because we're all humans in there. We're all receiving orders. Exactly. And like some people, some of them. Yeah, may truly, really want to meet more people. Yeah, yeah. Um, but at the end of the day, like, we're all human. Yeah. And we are all either seeking love. Or, like, spitting out love. Yeah. And I think that's a I, I feel like if, you know, if you're saying to you because I think you mentioned this earlier, like, well, how do you help, you know, like, yeah. How do you help. What's going on. Like, do you go protest with. I'm like, in my opinion, what you can do is obviously help the people around you if you're able to, if they're in some in some kind of need. But I feel like what we can do is just send that love. Yeah. Send that love to everyone that needs it. Especially Trump and all the other people that are trying to still oppress us and do all of these things. As crazy as that might sign. My, as crazy as that may sound to everyone. Mhm. You never know. People will. People could change. I guess I'm kind of hesitant to say that. Yeah. But I would rather, I would rather focus on sending love and sending peace to even the people that are getting, you know, separated because of these things. It's so crazy to me because at the end of the day, like this. Like, whose land is it? This is nobody's land. Like, we're just here for a minute. That's another. The whole concept of immigrant is made up. Concept like that is causing all of this. Like somebody decided to put a border on land and was like this. If you cross this, you were an immigrant, right? Somebody decided that. But like who? If you always were like, no, it's just the border, bro. Like, that doesn't even exist. You just created it there. We can easily just destroy it, right? Why can't we destroy the border? Yeah, but it's just so crazy like that, that that concept in itself is like a whole other fucking thing. The whole other thing. But like Janis and all that. Yeah, but it's so crazy to me. But I would rather spread love and and send my love vibrationally to these areas that are being where people are feeling in fear and people are feeling in survival. Because, you know, the the cops are there, the National Guard is there, whatever is happening. And also to the people that are being affected by it, like people that are, you know, again, being ripped away from their families or separated from their families, like I still feel like I of course, of course, you feel for those people. Like, of course you feel for everybody. Yeah, I fear I, I feel for the Ice agent that has to do their job that may not want to, but doesn't have it, doesn't have any other livelihood. Um, to the person, to the father or the child that is being deported for whatever reason, like I feel for all of them. Yeah, we're all human and we should feel for all of them. Yeah. And for everyone. Mhm. Um, and it's at the end of the day like I feel like that's really like collectively coming together and being in that same loving vibration could change things. Yes. I, I know it can. Yeah I know it can change things. It's just a matter for people to believe it themselves. But you can't see until you believe it. So first comes belief, guides and belief that love is greater than hate. That love is greater than, um, retaliation. That love is greater than revenge. The belief must come first that love is greater than all of those things combined or individually. And the moment that we begin to actually believe that internally, then, is the moment that externally we're able to act in the accordance of the law of love. Pretty much. Yes. Yes. We are just, um. We have to live in that high vibration. Love. That high vibration. Love. And I feel the more, the more we we get into that. I think the more you envision things being from love, you'll start to notice, like the impact that it can make, um, as opposed to the way that things are right now. But. At the same time. Like, don't, don't let all of the things that our. Outwardly things like these things that are happening like don't let them remove you or distance you from the love that we all hold in ourselves. Yeah, because it can very rapidly it could change your your good mood into a bad mood. Right? Yeah. Like if you're watching TikTok or you're on Instagram or whatever with two TikToks, like, I noticed my mood change when I watched the immigration stuff and I'm like, oh, shoot, now let me turn this off. So I really haven't been on social media other than posting stuff, but I haven't looked at things because of that. Yeah, and it's not me trying to like, evade the feelings or anything like that because I'm still feeling the feelings. I just rather, um, be conscious about what it is that I am looking at. Yeah. And and focus on staying on that high love vibration. Yeah. Once. Yeah. Once you feel your shit, make sure you get back on that vibration. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's very easy to just stay on like, oh, this is happening. Like this is crazy. Like. And although it's not happening to you, like if you see it, you're relating because you're you're empathetic. Like we're naturally compassionate. And we feel that, especially if you're also a Hispanic person and you come from immigrant immigrant parents and family and you still have friends and stuff, like, of course it's going to affect you. And again, like, I guess my perspective here is just to understand that it's okay if you feel some type of way when you see what's happening, you always have to just remember that you that love is a higher frequency than the hate and the fear and the survival. Mhm. And from that higher frequency, we can be and do a lot more better than being in fear survival frequency. Yeah I agree, I agree with you babe. And you know I'm glad they brought this topic up. I think everybody has their own perspective to bring to it. And the only way that we can expand as humans is to listen to everybody's perspectives. Even if it doesn't, even if it's not the same as yours. The way that we expand as the human society, as a consciousness, is to listen to each other's perspective, even if it's different than our own. Because in that not only do we learn, but we also grow compassion even more for the other individual that is sitting in front of us. And and I and I think and I'm thinking back to like little kids, like my kids, they don't know skin color. And the only reason they know is like the oldest, she's nine is because they taught about Black History Month and she's like, oh. And like she caught on to the fact that they were studying like black people. Right? And. Yeah. But like, kids don't see skin color, you guys. They don't see that and I don't. And it's like, obviously people are brought up differently and they tend to see that sometimes at a very early age. But as a baby, as a three year old, as a two year old, you naturally just give love to everybody. Yeah. And if you are able to go back to that state and just give love to everybody that you come across and see that person as a soul instead of the human skin that they're in, like you will see people a lot differently. And that's how I see everybody, like even the governments and stuff. I'm just seeing them as a soul. Yeah, I'm just like, yeah, yeah. What what trauma did they get? Yeah. Like, you talk about Trump and like his upbringing and like obviously where he's at right now has everything to do with how he grew up. Yeah. How he is the asshole that he is is because of his upbringing, guys. And I sometimes wonder, like, I wonder how he is, like, naturally. Like naturally, you know, or like, outside on a day to day basis outside of, like him being president. Like, I wonder if he's any different, you know. Yeah. Um, but again, like, it's not even about him. No, it's not about him, and it's not about anything that he says, because this has to do with other people that are behind the scenes pulling the strings. And if you don't know that by now, like, there's definitely a lot of research and thinking of, you would want to know. Yeah. Um, for you to do because it's not about him. Like. And this is about like us. They're still trying to oppress, oppress us in, in whatever form that they can make us react. And I think the only better, the only way for us to react in any situation like this is to come together and be like, just in the low frequency and be blinded by love. Like that's it, honestly. Like love one another. Love each other, love thy neighbor like all of these. Like that's really all that it that it has to be. And help people and be kind to one another. Like that's that would that's what it comes down to. Yeah. The evolution of humanity is to get back to love. Boom boom, baby. I know this was a, um. I feel like these are always deep. Like conversations or deep, you know, like, because of the perspectives, obviously. You know, I could simply get on here and be like, fuck eyes, fuck all that and all this shit. I just don't feel like that's the way. Like that's that's how they want us to be. And I'm not gonna let them get what they want. And that's not how you are either. Yeah, and that's not how I am either. So, um. But, yeah, I would love to go. I would love to know your perspective and take on this, uh, subject obviously is a subject that's currently happening, something that's currently happening. But if you guys like to share, like your stories and, and things that you felt or, or you agree on or you don't agree on, um, we would be more than happy to get into that conversation. Yeah, and that was it. Thanks, guys. Bye. Once again, guys, thank you for listening. 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